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 This one stolen from [personal profile] rhivolution:

Is there anything you've always wanted to ask me? About my life, my views of the universe, my writing, anything?

Go ahead!
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From: [personal profile] esmenet
HOW ARE YOU SO AWESOME wait no that is not a fair question.

Do you cook? What do you cook?

Who's your favorite character to write?

What's your favorite fandom, people-wise?

Is there a fandom/fic/article of clothing/etc. you really kind of hate but can't leave alone?

Is Soul Eater really that good?

How much are you looking forward to Korra?

Date: 2012-02-27 06:53 pm (UTC)
dancing_moon: Jadeite / DM / Me (Default)
From: [personal profile] dancing_moon
How much One Piece have you read/seen?

/I'm totally tripping it and would like to discuss Zoro, Brook and others with you but I don'twannaspoil/

Date: 2012-02-27 08:05 pm (UTC)
dancing_moon: Jadeite / DM / Me (Default)
From: [personal profile] dancing_moon
Ah, then it's a bit tricky...
But in general, I find that there appears to be intriguing things about how One Piece deals with various mental variations. Among the Strawhats, Zoro, Brook and argueably Luffy are the ones I'd peg as "most likely to be found not neurotypical in 'our' world" - Luffy is tricky because he's got some really well-hidden depths and is super hard to read - and I think it's so interesting that it's depicted in quite differnt ways! (There are probably plenty of side-characters too that one can discuss, but One Piece 'suffers' from MASSIVE CHARACTER OVERLOAD and one would have to read it with a Excel sheet or twelve open to make notes, lol)

I was first brought onto the issue from TVtropes, of all places, since they point out that several of Zoros attacks and attributes are (beside being sushi puns) symbolically connected to "insanity", as well as Buddhist deitys and demons. Extra odd since he's an atheist.
Plus the whole happy self-mutilation for the sake of victory/honor thing he has going on a couple of times (you thought the Mihawk fight was a one-time only brave stand, think again ;) make a lot of people consider Zoro a bit
This clip from an anime special is pretty spot-on about Zoro's approach to problems: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC8T1i3inHs
And yet, he's undoubtedly a good guy. Not only does he repeatedly save people and show loads of loyalty, Luffy whom appears able to "read people's hearts" pegs him as that right at the start. And then he just goes on proving it

Brook is one of those characters only Oda can pull off: Really weird character design (he's the tall skeleton seen in later group pics), strange speech patterns nearing tics, and an Incredibly Amazingly Touching Backstory which is if anything made more touching by his character design. (Btw, I hope I don't say anything insulting here, if I do please just bop me; my field is lit science and I have a hard time looking away from 'these are written characters omg what effect does X have and was Y side-effect intended?')
And he's clearly hallucinating and losing contact with reality due to extreme isolation for a while. He's also a swordsman, a very good and dangerous one, but he is depicted as one of the most gentle, life-positive characters in the story. He knows the value of life, rarely loses his temper and finds great joy in music and beauty. Zoro's polar opposite, in other words.

I just find it interesting that something like One Piece, which is technically aimed at young boys, manages to squeeze not only so much emotion, depth, politics and sheer staggering plot-perfection into the story, but also has a greater width of mental variation compared to loads of 'Great Works' aimed at adults =)

Sorry for the extreme tl;dr *hangs head* And for saying so little about Zoro's directional issues. But they're kind of hilarious. Compared to Ryoga, btw, Zoro does not acknoweldge them at all. Everyone else gets lets, the keep moving stuff etc but he getting lost? Never. Otoh, he does seem fine with acknowledging that his personal, uhm, ethos (honor and death before retreat, for instance) is not what the mainstream considers sane. Another thing I find interesting

Yeah. Uhm. Shutting up now.

Re: Don't be sorry!

Date: 2012-03-03 03:31 pm (UTC)
dancing_moon: Jadeite / DM / Me (Default)
From: [personal profile] dancing_moon
Most of Oda's characters have non-standard body types, more so than in most manga/anime/Western cartoons I've seen.

Yes, for one, he's created a world where there is much larger variation in body size than in our. I read somewhere that he's basically stated that there are (among the humans) both "normal" sized people, giants (who also come in various sizes) and "big people". Brook for instance counts as one of those, considering that he's +260 cm tall (Google tells me that's 8,7 feet) and he's not a giant. Plus his character design means people can look just about any which way you can't imagine ^_^ And then there's the humans with wings, the peoples with an extra arm-joint and the Fishmen...

Unfortunately, the body-variation is also one area where I feel his biggest fail comes in: crossdressing/transvestitism and "homosexual" characters. It's a bit hard to pinpoint anyone's sexuality in One Piece, since most don't have/show one (Oda doesn't want romance).
But he's driving the point hard that men in drag/genderqueer/trans* characters (1) are there for comedy :/ The overwhelming majority don't have character designs that fan latch on as pretty or sexy and are called ugly in-universy (usually by Sanji too, whom I really wish could get over his problems with women and men-not-fitting-his-ideal-of-masculinity argh).
On the other hand, there are several such characters, some have great personal depth and many are shown as being powerful warriors. So, while there is absolutely sexism, "lol guys in drag are hideous"-jokes and very sensible arguments made about transphobia in One Piece, it's more multi-faceted than most shonen manga *winces* Which is really, really sad

there are lots of characters with traits that are especially disabling in a culture where sailing is important

Oh yes! And there's several parts that deal with in-world prejudice. Outside of the Grand Line, and even sometimes inside it, the people with Devil Fruit's are considered cursed/monstruous and are often outcasts or feared. For most of them, it appears as if a life as a pirate or among the Marines is one of the only opportunities of belonging somewhere. Which of course brings them in constant contact with their greatest weakness, the sea.

So there's a theme of interdependence, too--which is not exclusive to disability at all, but ties into it

Absolutely! And Oda uses this in a great way. Very consistently too, especially once you start looking at the villains! There's a kind of sliding-scale-of-evil, where the people who don't care for their own crew are usually the lowest of the low, it's really great :)

(1) [Just a footnote on that: I think there are arguments to be made that certain characters do drag, while others are trans* and there is at least one character that is intersex and id's as genderqueer (unless the scanlation completely messed things up)]

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